The wackiest Mormons of all

Polygamy was once a cherished practice in the Mormon church (who call themselves the Latter Day Saints or LDS). In order for Utah to become a state, however, and I think for some other legal reasons, the practice was "officially" banned by the LDS church a long time ago. That hasn't stopped some, though, as every now and then a polygamist is prosecuted and gets 15 seconds of fame on t.v. The latest, if I recall, was some guy named (I think) Tom Green. He lived with a handful of wives and a few dozen children. My libertarian side says that the government has no business regulating marriages, and if a group of consenting adults wants to have a polygamous relationship then they should be free to do so. As long as no harm comes to any of the children.

Well, there exists on the border of Utah and Arizona two small communities under nearly complete control from a group calling themselves the FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS) Church. Their leader, in true cult style, has absolute authority over everyone and everything that happens in these towns. He receives "revelations" from "God" and dictates who shall marry whom and when and under what circumstances. Girls younger than 18 are frequently "married" to men far older who already have at least one wife. They then take on their duty of being baby factories, some having more than one child by the time they are 18. The social pressure is so enormous on these girls that those who do "escape" usually return and those who can testify against their abusers usually back down because they don't want to send anyone in their group to jail for fear of divine retribution from "God". The group even has a "sister" community in Canada with which young girls are frequently "traded".

You'd think that the law-enforcement community would do something about this. Problem is, the law-enforcement community in this area is polygamist too! A Colorado City police officer is only just now convicted of "unlawful sex with a minor" after his teenage wife finally got the courage to testify after backing down in the past.

The officer's defense attorneys tried to argue that he should be acquitted because he was merely following deeply-held religious beliefs, or what he believed to be "God's law". "Law" which was once common throughout Utah. Even many "mainstream" Mormons who are "officially" barred from polygamy believe that polygamy will be practiced in the "afterlife".

Well the excrement may soon be hitting the proverbial fan. The leader, Warren Jeffs, of the FLDS has recently received a "revelation" from "God" saying that the erection of a monument to the failed raid of the community by Arizona officials 50 years ago is glorifying man instead of "God" and so the community will be punished. This punishment includes no priesthood meetings, no church services, no "marriages", nothing. In a time when the Utah and Arizona attorneys General are joining forces to prosecute him, many people suspect this "revelation" to be a sign that Jeffs is closing up shop and planning to flee the country.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that there is an armed vigilante force sworn to protect Jeffs and the community from any outside forces. Another testament to the dangerous power that religion holds over human minds.


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  • Yoo, infidel. Im in a hurry but judging from the topic and the first word, i'd say we had this typical mormon/polygamy topic before.

    anyway, i'll read this one a bit later ;-)







    : Polygamy was once a cherished practice in the Mormon church (who call themselves the Latter Day Saints or LDS). In order for Utah to become a state, however, and I think for some other legal reasons, the practice was "officially" banned by the LDS church a long time ago. That hasn't stopped some, though, as every now and then a polygamist is prosecuted and gets 15 seconds of fame on t.v. The latest, if I recall, was some guy named (I think) Tom Green. He lived with a handful of wives and a few dozen children. My libertarian side says that the government has no business regulating marriages, and if a group of consenting adults wants to have a polygamous relationship then they should be free to do so. As long as no harm comes to any of the children.
    :
    : Well, there exists on the border of Utah and Arizona two small communities under nearly complete control from a group calling themselves the FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS) Church. Their leader, in true cult style, has absolute authority over everyone and everything that happens in these towns. He receives "revelations" from "God" and dictates who shall marry whom and when and under what circumstances. Girls younger than 18 are frequently "married" to men far older who already have at least one wife. They then take on their duty of being baby factories, some having more than one child by the time they are 18. The social pressure is so enormous on these girls that those who do "escape" usually return and those who can testify against their abusers usually back down because they don't want to send anyone in their group to jail for fear of divine retribution from "God". The group even has a "sister" community in Canada with which young girls are frequently "traded".
    :
    : You'd think that the law-enforcement community would do something about this. Problem is, the law-enforcement community in this area is polygamist too! A Colorado City police officer is only just now convicted of "unlawful sex with a minor" after his teenage wife finally got the courage to testify after backing down in the past.
    :
    : The officer's defense attorneys tried to argue that he should be acquitted because he was merely following deeply-held religious beliefs, or what he believed to be "God's law". "Law" which was once common throughout Utah. Even many "mainstream" Mormons who are "officially" barred from polygamy believe that polygamy will be practiced in the "afterlife".
    :
    : Well the excrement may soon be hitting the proverbial fan. The leader, Warren Jeffs, of the FLDS has recently received a "revelation" from "God" saying that the erection of a monument to the failed raid of the community by Arizona officials 50 years ago is glorifying man instead of "God" and so the community will be punished. This punishment includes no priesthood meetings, no church services, no "marriages", nothing. In a time when the Utah and Arizona attorneys General are joining forces to prosecute him, many people suspect this "revelation" to be a sign that Jeffs is closing up shop and planning to flee the country.
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    : Oh, and I forgot to mention that there is an armed vigilante force sworn to protect Jeffs and the community from any outside forces. Another testament to the dangerous power that religion holds over human minds.
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    [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
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  • : Polygamy was once a cherished practice in the Mormon church (who call themselves the Latter Day Saints or LDS). In order for Utah to become a state, however, and I think for some other legal reasons, the practice was "officially" banned by the LDS church a long time ago. That hasn't stopped some, though, as every now and then a polygamist is prosecuted and gets 15 seconds of fame on t.v. The latest, if I recall, was some guy named (I think) Tom Green. He lived with a handful of wives and a few dozen children. My libertarian side says that the government has no business regulating marriages, and if a group of consenting adults wants to have a polygamous relationship then they should be free to do so. As long as no harm comes to any of the children.

    [blue]agreed.[/blue]

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    : Well, there exists on the border of Utah and Arizona two small communities under nearly complete control from a group calling themselves the FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS) Church.

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    Fundamentalist, that stupid word says enough i guess. Haha, all groups that call themselves fundamentalists should be imprissoned i guess :-D. ofcourse not all, but most groups that call themselves like that, also tend to be very odd. usually i never agree with those people. And in many occasions, the majority of the population would wish they did not exist.
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    Their leader, in true cult style, has absolute authority over everyone and everything that happens in these towns.[blue]ok, now there is nobody that can convince me why i should not like that/those person/s by default.[/blue] He receives "revelations" from "God"[blue]wooow, another total wacko.[/blue] and dictates who shall marry whom and when and under what circumstances.[blue]what an idiot. and since i don't believe in a god, there should not be a god who dictates anything, especialy such noncence. [/blue]Girls younger than 18 are frequently "married" to men far older who already have at least one wife. They then take on their duty of being baby factories, some having more than one child by the time they are 18.
    [blue]aha, here they cross my border. reason enough for me to hate(or should another word be more suitable??) the "vieze gore klootzakken" that make kids do, obviously bad, things like that.
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    The social pressure is so enormous on these girls that those who do "escape" usually return and those who can testify against their abusers usually back down because they don't want to send anyone in their group to jail for fear of divine retribution from "God".
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    that fear of divine retribution... indoctrinated, that's what they are. in a way, their belief makes their life,propably, even worse.[/blue]

    The group even has a "sister" community in Canada with which young girls are frequently "traded".[blue]sigh, what should i say???[/blue]


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    : You'd think that the law-enforcement community would do something about this. Problem is, the law-enforcement community in this area is polygamist too![blue]tssss, thats the same as being corrupt.[/blue]

    A Colorado City police officer is only just now convicted of "unlawful sex with a minor" after his teenage wife finally got the courage to testify after backing down in the past.
    [blue]aha, a mentally stonger person than the average humanbeing. or was she just less indoctrinated? what could it be? anyway, im very glad that those people also exist in those communities.[/blue]

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    : The officer's defense attorneys tried to argue that he should be acquitted because he was merely following deeply-held religious beliefs, or what he believed to be "God's law". "Law" which was once common throughout Utah. Even many "mainstream" Mormons who are "officially" barred from polygamy believe that polygamy will be practiced in the "afterlife".
    :
    : Well the excrement may soon be hitting the proverbial fan. The leader, Warren Jeffs, of the FLDS has recently received a "revelation" from "God" saying that the erection of a monument to the failed raid of the community by Arizona officials 50 years ago is glorifying man instead of "God" and so the community will be punished. This punishment includes no priesthood meetings, no church services, no "marriages", nothing. In a time when the Utah and Arizona attorneys General are joining forces to prosecute him, many people suspect this "revelation" to be a sign that Jeffs is closing up shop and planning to flee the country.
    :
    : Oh, and I forgot to mention that there is an armed vigilante force sworn to protect Jeffs and the community from any outside forces. Another testament to the dangerous power that religion holds over human minds.
    [blue]bah, very dangerous.i'm glad that nothing of that has ever come near me.[/blue]





    huh?
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  • hahaha,

    i'm curious, will

    http://www.programmersheaven.com/c/authorpage.asp?AuthorID=74309

    that potential dirty fundamentalist read this as well??

    i don't think so ;-) :-D
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  • : hahaha,
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    : that potential dirty fundamentalist
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    That's a GOOD one!!!! :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
  • ;-)
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  • : hahaha,
    :
    : i'm curious, will
    :
    : http://www.programmersheaven.com/c/authorpage.asp?AuthorID=74309
    :
    : that potential dirty fundamentalist read this as well??
    :
    : i don't think so ;-) :-D
    : [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
    : url--> http://space.servehttp.com (ssh,ftp,http,stmp,imap etc etc)
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    :

    I think you have that url saved in your favourites. ;-)
  • NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    :
    : I think you have that url saved in your favourites. ;-)
    :

    [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
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  • : NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    : :
    How about nonefavourites/unfavourites :-D (are there words like that in English? If not, I'm sure you do understand what I am trying to say)
  • : NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    : :
    : : I think you have that url saved in your favourites. ;-)
    : :
    :
    : [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
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    :
    I think infidel will be going to kill both of you DarQ and leoos ;-). He started such a serious subject and you two skrewed up everything converting it to jokes :-D
  • [b][red]This message was edited by DarQ at 2003-8-22 4:56:48[/red][/b][hr]
    : : NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    : : :
    : : : I think you have that url saved in your favourites. ;-)
    : : :
    : :
    : : [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
    : : url--> http://space.servehttp.com (ssh,ftp,http,stmp,imap etc etc)
    : :
    : :
    : I think infidel will be going to kill both of you DarQ and leoos ;-). He started such a serious subject and you two skrewed up everything converting it to jokes :-D

    well, i did reply seriously too. Read my 2nd reply.

    and btw: i believe leeos and i will make prebaked meat out of infidel if he seriously would come over to make the kill. im looking forward to it.

    ahahahahaha
    :

    [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
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  • yeah i got it. i guess you are right.


    : : NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    : : :
    : How about nonefavourites/unfavourites :-D (are there words like that in English? If not, I'm sure you do understand what I am trying to say)
    :

    [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
    url--> http://space.servehttp.com (ssh,ftp,http,stmp,imap etc etc)

  • : : NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    : : :
    : How about nonefavourites/unfavourites :-D (are there words like that in English? If not, I'm sure you do understand what I am trying to say)
    :

    I like to use the word "Undesirables" a lot.
  • : [b][red]This message was edited by DarQ at 2003-8-22 4:56:48[/red][/b][hr]
    : : : NOOOO!!! bleeeeeh
    : : : :
    : : : : I think you have that url saved in your favourites. ;-)
    : : : :
    : : :
    : : : [size=5][italic][blue]Dar[RED]Q[/RED][/blue][/italic][/size]
    : : : url--> http://space.servehttp.com (ssh,ftp,http,stmp,imap etc etc)
    : : :
    : : :
    : : I think infidel will be going to kill both of you DarQ and leoos ;-). He started such a serious subject and you two skrewed up everything converting it to jokes :-D
    :
    : well, i did reply seriously too. Read my 2nd reply.
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    : and btw: i believe leeos and i will make prebaked meat out of infidel if he seriously would come over to make the kill. im looking forward to it.
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    : ahahahahaha

    Tag Team. ;-)



  • Cecil B. Jacobsen M.D.
    This is the infamous infertility specialist who was caught using his own sperm to impregnate his female patients. The story came out when several children were born with the same birth defect. He has since moved to Utah. The motive for his actions may have been the wacky Mormon belief that men are to have as many children as possible to increase their posterity in the afterlife when they will rule other planets in heaven.


    NOW this is warped beyond what I first thought.

    There are even more sicker ones at

    http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/1247/ldscourt.htm
  • : Cecil B. Jacobsen M.D.
    : This is the infamous infertility specialist who was caught using his own sperm to impregnate his female patients. The story came out when several children were born with the same birth defect. He has since moved to Utah. The motive for his actions may have been the wacky Mormon belief that men are to have as many children as possible to increase their posterity in the afterlife when they will rule other planets in heaven.
    :
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    : NOW this is warped beyond what I first thought.
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    : There are even more sicker ones at
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    : http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/1247/ldscourt.htm
    :
    I am just wondering, how they behave during the Olympic Games? I think they were very queit, weren't they?
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