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Help us test the PH Re-design!

JonathanJonathan Posts: 2,914Member
Hello to all PH users,

We have been working hard over the past months to bring Programmer's Heaven a new look and some new features. Along the way, we have also worked to improve the navigation greatly: between forums, or to resource pages, will now be just a single click from anywhere on the site, for example!

We plan to launch the re-design in about a week, if all goes smoothly, but before we do that we wanted to let you - the Programmer's Heaven community - have a look over it and give us any comments about what you like and dislike. Bug reports are also very welcome; one can never do enough testing! You can check out a demo of the re-design at:

http://testing.communityheaven.com:90/

[b]Please note that the testing site is working on a copy of the live site's database, not the real data. This not only means that it will quickly lag behind the content here, but also that any forum posts, resource submissions, comments or blog entries you make on the testing site will not be reflected on the live site now or after we launch the re-design. Please just post testing data there.[/b]

Please use this forum to report bugs, provide feedback and have discussions on the re-design. The Programmer's Heaven team will be listening to what is said here and participate in the discussions. We are open to making changes, and of course doing bug fixes, as they are suggested here. Without you folks, we have no community, so we want to make a site that is useful and enjoyable for you.

Thanks for your time, and for being part of Programmer's Heaven!

Nicolai, Lars, Jonathan, Jakob and Brad
The Programmer's Heaven Team
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  • zibadianzibadian Posts: 6,349Member
    : Hello to all PH users,
    :
    : We have been working hard over the past months to bring Programmer's
    : Heaven a new look and some new features. Along the way, we have also
    : worked to improve the navigation greatly: between forums, or to
    : resource pages, will now be just a single click from anywhere on the
    : site, for example!
    :
    : We plan to launch the re-design in about a week, if all goes
    : smoothly, but before we do that we wanted to let you - the
    : Programmer's Heaven community - have a look over it and give us any
    : comments about what you like and dislike. Bug reports are also very
    : welcome; one can never do enough testing! You can check out a demo
    : of the re-design at:
    :
    : http://testing.communityheaven.com:90/
    :
    : [b]Please note that the testing site is working on a copy of the
    : live site's database, not the real data. This not only means that it
    : will quickly lag behind the content here, but also that any forum
    : posts, resource submissions, comments or blog entries you make on
    : the testing site will not be reflected on the live site now or after
    : we launch the re-design. Please just post testing data there.[/b]
    :
    : Please use this forum to report bugs, provide feedback and have
    : discussions on the re-design. The Programmer's Heaven team will be
    : listening to what is said here and participate in the discussions.
    : We are open to making changes, and of course doing bug fixes, as
    : they are suggested here. Without you folks, we have no community, so
    : we want to make a site that is useful and enjoyable for you.
    :
    : Thanks for your time, and for being part of Programmer's Heaven!
    :
    : Nicolai, Lars, Jonathan, Jakob and Brad
    : The Programmer's Heaven Team
    :
    Here are some suggestions for improvement:
    - Perhaps it is best to show the thread above the message edit box instead of in it.
    - I found the "Latest Posts"/"Latest Threads" a bit far off. It might be more logical to switch the individual boards and the "Latest Posts"/"Latest Threads" around in the menu. Along the same lines, perhaps it is also helpful to place a button for the "Latest Posts"/"Latest Threads" in the top of the forums (around the "How to create your first post!")

    One of the features of the original board, which I found the best, was lost in the present incantation: Latest Posts for the Favorite Boards. Could that also be added in the new design?

    Otherwise I like the new layout better than the current.
  • bilderbikkelbilderbikkel Posts: 754Member
    Dear Programmers Heaven and other top users,

    I agree with Zibadian about the forums.

    I really like the new file submission part!

    Searching for a file does not go smoothtly. For example, I know there is a class that serves as an interface to the program Gnuplot. When I search for 'Gnuplot interface class' or 'C++ Gnuplot', I do not find this file. But when I search for 'Gnuplot C++' I do, which is only the search string before in another sequence. This seems to me something to be improved.

    About 'Wiki articles': I also found that you can submit a 'Wiki article', but I could not find a 'Wiki articles' section. Next to this, I think that the CodePedia is a more suitable place to for wiki articles.

    In one's profile, you can now see the 'Recent Events' about him/her. This is great! You can see what your favorite PH member is up to.

    I hope my feedback helped you. I look forward for the new site to go online.

    See ya, Bilderbikkel


  • LundinLundin Posts: 3,711Member
    Looks nice. I still miss the feature where a user gets an automatic notification that their thread has been moved/removed though. Would make things smoother for moderators.
  • SephirothSephiroth Fayetteville, NC, USAPosts: 1,035Member
    The main page seems a little overwhelming, but is nice. I believe that the latest blogs and discussions should be in the middle however, and the articles and ads on the left. Generally speaking, menus are on the left, top, or right of a site, not the center.

    The new forum layout seems much nicer and more standard. It just feels smoother. If it supports stickies and such now, it'll be great!

    I like the site for the most part, but searching does yield some strange strange results. I also feel odd using the articles links in the middle of the main page, but overall the design seems great. I'll comb through it in more detail tomorrow when I have more time.

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  • mattaseymourmattaseymour Posts: 10Member
    Something that could look cool in the future would be the interactive element on the site. Something where the user can edit the page layout so the items that they use the most are in the position they want it. It could also lead to a further development where users of PH could design our own apps for it.

    Obviously the work involved would be large and therefore may not be viable
    but it would be a cool feature of the future.

    Matt


    : Hello to all PH users,
    :
    : We have been working hard over the past months to bring Programmer's
    : Heaven a new look and some new features. Along the way, we have also
    : worked to improve the navigation greatly: between forums, or to
    : resource pages, will now be just a single click from anywhere on the
    : site, for example!
    :
    : We plan to launch the re-design in about a week, if all goes
    : smoothly, but before we do that we wanted to let you - the
    : Programmer's Heaven community - have a look over it and give us any
    : comments about what you like and dislike. Bug reports are also very
    : welcome; one can never do enough testing! You can check out a demo
    : of the re-design at:
    :
    : http://testing.communityheaven.com:90/
    :
    : [b]Please note that the testing site is working on a copy of the
    : live site's database, not the real data. This not only means that it
    : will quickly lag behind the content here, but also that any forum
    : posts, resource submissions, comments or blog entries you make on
    : the testing site will not be reflected on the live site now or after
    : we launch the re-design. Please just post testing data there.[/b]
    :
    : Please use this forum to report bugs, provide feedback and have
    : discussions on the re-design. The Programmer's Heaven team will be
    : listening to what is said here and participate in the discussions.
    : We are open to making changes, and of course doing bug fixes, as
    : they are suggested here. Without you folks, we have no community, so
    : we want to make a site that is useful and enjoyable for you.
    :
    : Thanks for your time, and for being part of Programmer's Heaven!
    :
    : Nicolai, Lars, Jonathan, Jakob and Brad
    : The Programmer's Heaven Team
    :

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 2,914Member
    : Here are some suggestions for improvement:
    : - Perhaps it is best to show the thread above the message edit box
    : instead of in it.
    I think if replying to parts of the message (like I am here) then it's useful to have it quoted. I think that's why we retained the behavior (well, the forum upgrades are really visual more than internals, since we re-did the internals not so long ago).

    Maybe better would be to have it displayed separately, and then a "quote" button to put it into the box, quoted, if you want to write such a reply? That would seem to handle both cases, though would possibly complicate things a little...

    : - I found the "Latest Posts"/"Latest Threads" a bit far off. It
    : might be more logical to switch the individual boards and the
    : "Latest Posts"/"Latest Threads" around in the menu.
    Hmm, that's an interesting point; I'm inclined to do this. Good thought.

    : Along the same lines, perhaps it is also helpful to place a button for
    : the "Latest Posts"/"Latest Threads" in the top of the forums (around
    : the "How to create your first post!")
    Perhaps, yes. Though part of me wonders, now we have the drop-down to jump straight to a forum of interest, whether many people will use the forum start page at all...

    : One of the features of the original board, which I found the best,
    : was lost in the present incantation: Latest Posts for the Favorite
    : Boards. Could that also be added in the new design?
    It's kinda still here today (both on the live forum and in the re-design). Go to any forum, then there is a drop-down that reads "This Forum" (with the word On next to it, in the settings area). On that, you have a favorites option, to see posts from all your favorite forums. However, given how little it is used (I just discovered and fixed a bug where it crashed if you are not logged in, which nobody else had triggered yet), there's certainly a good argument for making something like this more visible. We'll take a look at doing something better.

    Thanks for the feedback - I suspect we'll do the switch of the latest posts etc to the top of the list for the launch, then look into the other issues shortly afterwards.

    Jonathan
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 2,914Member
    : Looks nice. I still miss the feature where a user gets an automatic
    : notification that their thread has been moved/removed though. Would
    : make things smoother for moderators.
    Yes, I know you've asked for this, and it hasn't been forgotten; we've just been a bit tied up getting the re-design in place. It's certainly in our list of tasks to do shortly after the re-design is launched (just checked this), so it's coming soon (I'd expect, late July/early August).

    Thanks for all you do on the forums,

    Jonathan


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    (tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
    /(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 2,914Member
    : Searching for a file does not go smoothtly. For example, I know
    : there is a class that serves as an interface to the program Gnuplot.
    : When I search for 'Gnuplot interface class' or 'C++ Gnuplot', I do
    : not find this file. But when I search for 'Gnuplot C++' I do, which
    : is only the search string before in another sequence. This seems to
    : me something to be improved.
    That is curious, because in theory the index generation and the way we interface with the search engine shouldn't have changed between the current site and the re-design, but they give different results. Note "Gnuplot interface class" doesn't give anything on the current site; maybe this is because the terms are ANDed together by default. The "C++ Gnuplot" vs "Gnuplot C++" is certainly broken, though (and works on the current site). Investigating - good catch.

    : About 'Wiki articles': I also found that you can submit a 'Wiki
    : article', but I could not find a 'Wiki articles' section. Next to
    : this, I think that the CodePedia is a more suitable place to for
    : wiki articles.
    We've some final tweaks to go there, but basically they will end up listed in the same articles directory for browsing/searching purposes, once they are marked complete (the "saying it's complete" bit is what's left to get in place - we've some ongoing discussion about how much moderation is desirable here). I think we'll feature latest user written wiki articles on the homepage specially. But other than that, it's just another way to get something into the articles directory: the difference is that you host it here at PH, rather than putting it somewhere else and linking to it.

    It is, under the hood, using the same engine as CodePedia, so all the syntax will be familiar to anyone who has used this. The big difference is that we added an articles layer on top of the page system. This means that you don't have to build the paging and section/series part navigation yourself, and allows us to provide a more consistent and usable interface to the article. You can think of it as a bunch of wiki pages (well, just one is fine if it's a one page article of course) in various relationships with each other.

    Hopefully all of this makes sense? I guess we need to put more explanations in.

    : In one's profile, you can now see the 'Recent Events' about him/her.
    : This is great! You can see what your favorite PH member is up to.
    Yes; I think in the future I think we're going to have a page to collect "what my friends are doing" together too, so if there's someone you realize regularly writes interesting forum posts, blog entries or submits useful articles/files etc, you can keep track of their New Stuff. Basically, we're just trying to make it easy to filter out the information that you want. We've also got "tag events" too, so if you go to some topic like C#, you can see the latest posts relating to it, or resources submitted and so on.

    : I hope my feedback helped you. I look forward for the new site to go
    : online.
    Yes, thanks lots!

    Jonathan
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 2,914Member
    : The main page seems a little overwhelming, but is nice. I believe
    : that the latest blogs and discussions should be in the middle
    : however, and the articles and ads on the left. Generally speaking,
    : menus are on the left, top, or right of a site, not the center.
    I'll pass this comment up to the designer and see what he thinks; thanks for the input.

    : The new forum layout seems much nicer and more standard. It just
    : feels smoother. If it supports stickies and such now, it'll be
    : great!
    As with the forum today, moderators can make posts sticky.

    : I like the site for the most part, but searching does yield some
    : strange strange results.
    Yes, we certainly seem to have some quirks in this; I'm working on getting to the bottom of what has changed/got broken at the moment.

    Thanks,

    Jonathan
    ###
    for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
    (tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
    /(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 2,914Member
    : Something that could look cool in the future would be the
    : interactive element on the site. Something where the user can edit
    : the page layout so the items that they use the most are in the
    : position they want it.
    Are you thinking for the homepage, or something more general and widespread on the site? Certainly, doing things that allow the site to be more useful and let people get at the stuff they want/use regularly is of interest to us; how viable/complex this is depends on the scope of it. But it doesn't have to be all that complicated to make work...

    : It could also lead to a further development where users of PH could
    : design our own apps for it.
    Sounds very Web 2.0. :-) We are quite open to the idea of some day having an API where people can build apps that interface with PH and so forth. However, it brings in a whole load of questions: what would people build with it, would anyone actually build anything useful, what are the privacy implications, what are the security implications and so forth.

    A lot of the issues with trying to do Web 2.0-ish stuff is striking a balance between keeping the things that make PH good today and that people like about it now, while trying to extract the good and useful stuff from the current web trends and work them into PH. Or put another way, trying to move forward but making sure we don't make PH into something that many users don't want it to be.

    I'm not saying at API would do this and it's an option on the table, but I don't want anyone to read this thinking we're about to turn PH into Yet Another Facebook either. Not that I dislike Facebook, and it's developer platform brought us such wonders as Superpoke (because we all love giving people virtual beers, or throwing virtual sheep at them ;-)). So it's an interesting idea, but hard to get right (it's as much working out how to do it well as implementing the stuff to do it), so I don't think we'll have this real soon. But yes, such ideas are certainly tossed around, when bits of the distributed-around-the-world PH team get to meet up and hang out together.

    Thanks,

    Jonathan
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    for(74,117,115,116){$::a.=chr};(($_.='qwertyui')&&
    (tr/yuiqwert/her anot/))for($::b);for($::c){$_.=$^X;
    /(p.{2}l)/;$_=$1}$::b=~/(..)$/;print("$::a$::b $::c hack$1.");
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