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gunnargunnar Member Posts: 50
Hi there...
I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"

Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)

Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...

Sorry about the bad english...

From Gunnar, Denmark

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  • eikedehlingeikedehling Member Posts: 123
    [b][red]This message was edited by eikedehling at 2002-11-7 7:53:19[/red][/b][hr]
    : Hi there...
    : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    :
    : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    :
    : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    :
    : Sorry about the bad english...
    :
    : From Gunnar, Denmark

    Be my guest, i'd certainly try your compiler :) But you really need 'to know shit' before doing such a thing. Basically your idea is correct: make a compiler which creates assembly files (or obejct files). If you know assembly well, it should not be impossible ;-) But if you don't know assembly, be honest to yourself and stop before trying. Not that i want discourage you though :P

    Eike.

    SUSE LINUX 7.3 PRO - The world starts behind windows
  • gunnargunnar Member Posts: 50
    : [b][red]This message was edited by eikedehling at 2002-11-7 7:53:19[/red][/b][hr]
    : : Hi there...
    : : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    : :
    : : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    : :
    : : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    : :
    : : Sorry about the bad english...
    : :
    : : From Gunnar, Denmark
    :
    : Be my guest, i'd certainly try your compiler :) But you really need 'to know shit' before doing such a thing. Basically your idea is correct: make a compiler which creates assembly files (or obejct files). If you know assembly well, it should not be impossible ;-) But if you don't know assembly, be honest to yourself and stop before trying. Not that i want discourage you though :P
    :
    : Eike.
    :
    : SUSE LINUX 7.3 PRO - The world starts behind windows
    :


    Allright....
    I guess you are right, but in the mean time I came to remember a tool called BXC (BASIC to C)!
    You simply write the whole thing in Qbasic, and then put it throug (however that is spelled:), read and correct the code, so it fits the best, and then compile it (in linux).

    Do anyone think that would be better...
    BTW, I don't know how good BXC actually works, but I guess it is worth a try???

    Jannich Brendle, Denmark
  • tburchamtburcham Member Posts: 102
    : Hi there...
    : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    :
    : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    :
    : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    :
    : Sorry about the bad english...
    :
    : From Gunnar, Denmark

    Hi Gunnar,
    Have you considered using BASM? It's apparently been
    abandoned, but you can still get it and the source
    code free. It does use Dos, but you can re-write those
    routines so they don't.
    tburcham

    http://www.powerbasic.com/files/pub/asm/BASM286.ZIP
  • gunnargunnar Member Posts: 50
    : : Hi there...
    : : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    : :
    : : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    : :
    : : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    : :
    : : Sorry about the bad english...
    : :
    : : From Gunnar, Denmark
    :
    : Hi Gunnar,
    : Have you considered using BASM? It's apparently been
    : abandoned, but you can still get it and the source
    : code free. It does use Dos, but you can re-write those
    : routines so they don't.
    : tburcham
    :
    : http://www.powerbasic.com/files/pub/asm/BASM286.ZIP
    :


    Oh yeah:)

    But it don't use the exact qb dialect, and i want to use that....
    But if i get the source, so it fits...
  • retrogeekretrogeek Member Posts: 93
    : Hi there...
    : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    :
    : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    :
    : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    :
    : Sorry about the bad english...
    :
    : From Gunnar, Denmark
    :

    Writing software that deals all the way down to the level of the machine's hardware requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to turn a disc drive motor on, but how to locate a specific datum on the disc by moving the head into the correct position, signaling the controller to ... etc. etc.. It requires a low-level programming language like assembly or C. (If I remember right, C has only 18 statements, compared to Qbasics 5,7925 :-) statements.)

    Building a custom hot-rod requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to a start an engine, but how to time an intake valve ... etc. etc. It requires a small garage with many simple, but specialized hand tools -- wrenchs, pliers, screwdrivers -- What you might call "low level" tools.

    Yes, you can build a huge factory and install huge stamping machines that can produce a complicated part with one "WHOMP!". You could then use this giant factory to produce just one custom hot-rod. Are you sure you would want to do this?

    Yes, you can invent your own low-level routines (low-level language), then use Qbasic to produce a giant compiler for your own low-level code. Are you sure you would want to do this? It might be better to learn how to use a screwdriver!

    But whatever you do...

    Enjoy!

    rg
  • gunnargunnar Member Posts: 50
    : : Hi there...
    : : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    : :
    : : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    : :
    : : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    : :
    : : Sorry about the bad english...
    : :
    : : From Gunnar, Denmark
    : :
    :
    : Writing software that deals all the way down to the level of the machine's hardware requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to turn a disc drive motor on, but how to locate a specific datum on the disc by moving the head into the correct position, signaling the controller to ... etc. etc.. It requires a low-level programming language like assembly or C. (If I remember right, C has only 18 statements, compared to Qbasics 5,7925 :-) statements.)
    :
    : Building a custom hot-rod requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to a start an engine, but how to time an intake valve ... etc. etc. It requires a small garage with many simple, but specialized hand tools -- wrenchs, pliers, screwdrivers -- What you might call "low level" tools.
    :
    : Yes, you can build a huge factory and install huge stamping machines that can produce a complicated part with one "WHOMP!". You could then use this giant factory to produce just one custom hot-rod. Are you sure you would want to do this?
    :
    : Yes, you can invent your own low-level routines (low-level language), then use Qbasic to produce a giant compiler for your own low-level code. Are you sure you would want to do this? It might be better to learn how to use a screwdriver!
    :
    : But whatever you do...
    :
    : Enjoy!
    :
    : rg
    :

    Well, I don't want to include every statement, I don't need things like graphics, disc- and fileroutines, and stuff like that...
  • ai.unitai.unit Member Posts: 81
    WHA?!!! you dont need a disc- and file routines??? then with what storage media would your OS be dealing with??




    : : : Hi there...
    : : : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    : : :
    : : : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    : : :
    : : : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    : : :
    : : : Sorry about the bad english...
    : : :
    : : : From Gunnar, Denmark
    : : :
    : :
    : : Writing software that deals all the way down to the level of the machine's hardware requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to turn a disc drive motor on, but how to locate a specific datum on the disc by moving the head into the correct position, signaling the controller to ... etc. etc.. It requires a low-level programming language like assembly or C. (If I remember right, C has only 18 statements, compared to Qbasics 5,7925 :-) statements.)
    : :
    : : Building a custom hot-rod requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to a start an engine, but how to time an intake valve ... etc. etc. It requires a small garage with many simple, but specialized hand tools -- wrenchs, pliers, screwdrivers -- What you might call "low level" tools.
    : :
    : : Yes, you can build a huge factory and install huge stamping machines that can produce a complicated part with one "WHOMP!". You could then use this giant factory to produce just one custom hot-rod. Are you sure you would want to do this?
    : :
    : : Yes, you can invent your own low-level routines (low-level language), then use Qbasic to produce a giant compiler for your own low-level code. Are you sure you would want to do this? It might be better to learn how to use a screwdriver!
    : :
    : : But whatever you do...
    : :
    : : Enjoy!
    : :
    : : rg
    : :
    :
    : Well, I don't want to include every statement, I don't need things like graphics, disc- and fileroutines, and stuff like that...
    :

  • gunnargunnar Member Posts: 50
    well Off course i need it, but what I mean was that i don't QB's file routines. I think it would be a mess to translate them.
    I guess it would be much more easy to make some include-files, one for screen, one for input devices, one for discs, and so on...

    : WHA?!!! you dont need a disc- and file routines??? then with what storage media would your OS be dealing with??
    :
    :
    :
    :
    : : : : Hi there...
    : : : : I know allmost all of you, will say somethin like "AN OS IN QB IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
    : : : :
    : : : : Maybe you are right, but if one would have the patience to make a compiler that would only produce ASM-code with no DOS-calls in it, I guess it would be able to make an OS... (or something similar:)
    : : : :
    : : : : Let me know if it sounds like a good idea...
    : : : :
    : : : : Sorry about the bad english...
    : : : :
    : : : : From Gunnar, Denmark
    : : : :
    : : :
    : : : Writing software that deals all the way down to the level of the machine's hardware requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to turn a disc drive motor on, but how to locate a specific datum on the disc by moving the head into the correct position, signaling the controller to ... etc. etc.. It requires a low-level programming language like assembly or C. (If I remember right, C has only 18 statements, compared to Qbasics 5,7925 :-) statements.)
    : : :
    : : : Building a custom hot-rod requires a lot of knowledge, time, and attention to detail. It requires knowing not only how to a start an engine, but how to time an intake valve ... etc. etc. It requires a small garage with many simple, but specialized hand tools -- wrenchs, pliers, screwdrivers -- What you might call "low level" tools.
    : : :
    : : : Yes, you can build a huge factory and install huge stamping machines that can produce a complicated part with one "WHOMP!". You could then use this giant factory to produce just one custom hot-rod. Are you sure you would want to do this?
    : : :
    : : : Yes, you can invent your own low-level routines (low-level language), then use Qbasic to produce a giant compiler for your own low-level code. Are you sure you would want to do this? It might be better to learn how to use a screwdriver!
    : : :
    : : : But whatever you do...
    : : :
    : : : Enjoy!
    : : :
    : : : rg
    : : :
    : :
    : : Well, I don't want to include every statement, I don't need things like graphics, disc- and fileroutines, and stuff like that...
    : :
    :
    :

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